The elements:
A ringleader (or chief instigator):

A plan:
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At least one second party (
Verbal endorsement of plan by that hench...person (Not just once, but twice):
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And in case anyone's wondering...
Yes, I did send a report about it to Google (not that I expect them to do anything--at least not unless/until any suspiciously suspect action shows up on my account--but I wanted to be proactive about it, just in case), and yes, I do have screen-caps and text and all that whatnot saved up and ready to share with any person / IP / service with whom I may need to in future (obviously.)
And before anyone points it out...
Yes, I know this isn't a CRIMINAL conspiracy, and I'm not alleging it is, or that I necessarily have any legal recourse should their dastardly evil plan come to fruition and bloom, and I am actually barred from commenting everywhere on the internet, and have to spend all my time OUT THERE with REAL PEOPLE, actually organizing and voting and pushing for change, and whatnot.... (It's not highly likely, but there's no harm in leaving these dreamers with a little hope to brighten their otherwise sad days... We libs is good like dat.)
It is an ethical conspiracy, however, and a sad comment on how far some partisans will consider going (and who knows, perhaps actually go...)
It's like I recently said somewhere about Alinsky's Rules: "Every time you see them listed or discussed on a conservative site, half of the commenters describe them as evil incarnate (which for the most part, they're not... They're just political tactics folks all across the political spectrum use to make their case and reach their goals), and the other half wants to start (or keep) using them, themselves... ...and for whatever reason, the two factions never seem to acknowledge each other's viewpoints, let alone actually discuss/debate them..." It looks to me like poor Robert (Thom) is stuck arguing both sides himself in his post. On one hand, my supposed tactics are "conspiratorial crazy," "obsessive compulsive," "unoriginal," "destructive," and "reprehensible." But then he says "Unfortunately, conservatives do not engage in the same style of tactics...". It kinda looks to me like some of them just might... ...not that I'm mentioning any names, Robert...
((Now if only I knew where they worked, so I could tell their employers about their crazy plan... j/k))
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UPDATE (10/23/11, 11:55 PM): Just had to share Mr. Tuttle's reaction to this post, offered in what I can only refer to as his "takin' my marbles and goin' home to tell my mommy" post from earlier this evening:
"Repsac3 is now stating that there is a conspiracy against him, and that I am the "ringleader." He claims that I am trying to ban him from posting anything, anywhere on the entire world wide web. I am flattered that Repsac3 thinks I actually have that kind of power, but alas, it is only a figment of his paranoia. He states that he has contacted Google and taken screen shots and what-not, but I am sure such actions only fuel his paranoia. He has not contacted my employer, but as I am retired, that would be difficult.So, is Robert really so humor impaired that he thinks I really believe he could so sully my name throughout the whole of the internet that I wouldn't be able to comment anywhere, or was he just faking being that obtuse for the benefit of his readers?
So there you have it. The whole sordid story of my involvement with a paranoid delusional. I gave him his chance to defend himself, and instead he now spends his days and nights tapping away on his keyboard writing post after post about the evil me and the conspiracy I am leading to ban him from the internet. The comment queue for this blog is filled with his rants are his blogs. As I have no desire to fuel his paranoia any further (not to mention that I don't enjoy playing games with the mentally ill), I am done with him. He cannot be rational or logical, and has slid down into irrational delusions. I fear for his sanity, and I can only hope that he will seek professional help, and not harm himself or others."
I said that Robert's plan to get his fellow Cons to "make a concerted effort to Google search the names W. James Casper and Repsac3, find out what sites he is commenting on, and flag each of his comments as offensive" so that "Casper will find himself banned throughout the web..." was a conspiracy, and, with the endorsement of his friend Zilla, so it is... I didn't say it was a good conspiracy, or even that ol' Rob and Zilla had the juice to pull such a thing off, however... ...and obviously, he doesn't really think much of his plan, or that he can pull it off, either.
He also seems to think my reporting the threat--such as it is--to Google shows me to be "paranoid."
With respect, I disagree... Robert's solution to a blogger he disagrees with isn't to debate on the merits, or to "take the high road and ignore anything that this disagreeable blogger may say if he found his posts and comments offensive," but to go around to sites where this blogger comments and flag his comments as offensive, and encourage others to do the same. Sure, it's pathetic and quite likely ineffective, but it's also underhanded and dishonest, and quite likely against Google's terms of service. And frankly, pathetic and ineffective in general or not, I wasn't about to take the chance that some blog service somewhere might see the smoke and think there's a real fire, rather than just some crappy broken down car's excessive exhaust... Damned straight I reported the threat... I only wish Octo had contacted Google when Donald was harassing him at The Swash Zone, rather than e-mailing LBCC, and starting all this nonsense... Would've saved me a whole lotta grief, if he had... (and it's exactly what I advised him to do, pretty early on in the situation.)
I gave him his chance to defend himself, and instead he now spends his days and nights tapping away on his keyboard writing post after post about the evil me and the conspiracy I am leading to ban him from the internet.Man, they do so hate it when you quote back exactly what they say and respond to their posts... (Posts that they presumably spent days and nights tapping away on their keyboard writing...).
Robert can call me paranoid for repeating and reporting what he said... That's fine by me... Doesn't change the fact that he said it, and in the process revealed what his notions of "truth, justice, and common sense" really are. The real Thomas Paine would likely be disappointed in the morality of this pretender cloaking himself in the good name of Thomas Paine. Perhaps Kevin's right... (Not something' I often say to Kevin, lest any part of him gets to swellin' up with nihilist pride, or anything..). Perhaps zombie Thomas Paine really would kick ol' Robert right in the nuts if they was to meet... ...and it'd serve Rob right if he did, too...
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Previously (in reverse order):
Robert P. Tuttle - Six Up, Six Down
Thomas Paine Had More Balls Than This Pretender, Didn'e?
Thom Paine Gets It Really, Really Wrong...







7 comments:
Jesus Christ! JBW hasn't blogged for months and these assholes are still scared to death of him.
No doubt they're all intellectual pussies.
It's interesting that Tuttle claims you are engaged in a Blogtopia-wide conspiracy against AssProf, but can't pick up on the fact that you have actual proof of a coordinated attack (similar language, near-identical posting times, and so on) on you.
Mote meet log.
You know... I didn't even consider that one... But you're right... In a way, Zilla did create a kind of a conspiracy against those who've taken Don on, too, in the sense that she called people who otherwise didn't seem to care into service, and elicited and corralled their complaints against we eeeeevil people who dared to publicly disagree with Donald Douglas...
I didn't notice because on the other hand, I've never bought into Donald's belief that when more than one person disagrees with him, they're working together--a belief which in turn had old Robert here suggesting that former neocon / current libertarian writer and blogger ED Kain, (and one assumes, fellow righty Alex Kepper, too) were in on my / our / any nefarious plot to destroy Donalde's livelihood.
I mean, yeah, I'll cop to corralling some of the folks who disagreed with Donald here at this blog, but every single one of the authors past and present, as well as many of the folks in the blogroll, too, were ALREADY verbally disagreeing with things Donald had said in his posts and comments, and I never asked for or elicited any words or deeds from anyone as far as Dr. Douglas was concerned.
But, whatever it's effectiveness or the sanity of the trying, what Robert suggested and Zilla endorsed above is a real conspiracy... A real dumb conspiracy, but a real conspiracy, nevertheless... And now Tuttle is trying to ridicule me for highlighting both the foolishness and the underhanded nature of his bad idea, as though his suggesting it wasn't the problem... ...my taking him the slightest bit seriously was the problem... (And you know, when it's put like that, the guy may have a point, after all...)
I find the best way to deal with these jokers is to throw what they say right back in their faces -- word-for-word. They lack any self awareness. So, for Thom's "take my marbles and go home" post, I'd start my reply with:
My, my, aren’t we just a bit testy when faced with the truth.
(See Thom's use of the same here)
And although I can't find the exact quote at the moment, Thom's admonition that you should just ignore DD is hilarious -- especially since he doesn't for a second think to give that same advice to D "how many posts can I post about Reppy" D.
When I started to write a reply to the "marbles" post--before realizing the futility of the thing--It did indeed begin with that exact "My, aren't we testy..." quote...
And I used the other, about having the good sense to ignore Dr. D. in the post above (in the update, in the paragraph that begins "With respect, I disagree...", at that first link.)
Robert shows that same "OK for me, but not for thee" reasoning and lack of self-awareness in the marbles post itself, where he explains why it's COMPLETELY DIFFERENT when he quotes a post with all of Dr. Douglas' workplace information in it than when I do, even though it's ultimately the exact same post and info.
I quote Octopus' Swash Zone post, directly.
Robert quotes Dr. Douglas quoting Octopus' Swash Zone post.
Dr. Douglas, Robert, and myself are ALL quoting it for the same reason--we're all using it as an example of bad behavior that we're each opposed to--but when they do it, it's fine. When I do it, it's proof of eeeeevil Satanic demonicness incarnate...
Crazy, man... Crazy...
I see the problem... Robert's post is kinda long...
The bit about ignoring Donald rather than engaging him is a part of his "Fact #6", right near the end of the post...
I didn't notice because on the other hand, I've never bought into Donald's belief that when more than one person disagrees with him, they're working together--a belief which in turn had old Robert here suggesting that former neocon / current libertarian writer and blogger ED Kain, (and one assumes, fellow righty Alex Kepper, too) were in on my / our / any nefarious plot to destroy Donalde's livelihood.
On the other hand, AssProf can't shut the fuck up about you, so it wouldn't surprise me if he cried on various shoulders, who patted his widdle head and said "There, there, AssProf, it'll be OK" and then discussed ganging up on you in some form or other.
Collusion, would be the more appropriate term. NOt a conspiracy but a general call to attack
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